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Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Carriker » Mon Jul 16, 2012 2:22 pm

Hey, all.

Please use this thread as a place to post any errata you find or questions you might have regarding the new Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition. Folks have PDFs in their hands now, and we wanted to give everyone a week or two to go over them before the final print PDF is sent to the Great Printing Castle In The Sky.
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Jon Snow » Mon Jul 16, 2012 5:58 pm

Awesome! I'll keep my eyes open for mistakes.

I do have one suggestion - though it isn't errata per se and I don't want this to turn into a stats discussion. But I think the Hound needs a serious upgrade. As it is, Ilyn Payne, Barristan Selmy and several others are stronger. In my mind, there's the Mountain than the Hound. Also, his fighting should be a good bit higher (better than his brother in my opinion - Gregor just inflicts crazy damage.)

Throw in Sinister while you're at it (the scene in the TV show when he walked in on Bronn and the singing and fun stopped was perfect) :D

Oh, and Fear of Fire and Bound to the Bottle - the man does have his flaws :lol:
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Zeroed » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:10 pm

Here are a few mistakes I found:

- Ser Jacelyn Bywater has Status 8 (p.40). I doubt he should have a Status rank this high, but if indeed he does have it, then his Intrigue Defense is wrong.

- Robert Baratheon has the Compelling (Seduce) benefit, but not the Charismatic prerequisite (p.43).

- Cersei Lannister has the Magnetic benefit, but not the Charismatic prerequisite (p.45).

- Varys has the Talented (Disguise) benefit (p.50). It should probably be either Talented (Deception) or Expertise (Disguise).

- Gregor Clegane has both the Massive and Blood of Heroes (Athletics) benefits (p.172), two benefits with the Heritage Quality, but a character is normally allowed to take only one. Personally, I always house-rule that these two benefits are not considered to have the Heritage Quality, so I don't really mind, but by RAW, it is considered an error.

And I agree with Jon about Sandor getting an upgrade. Jaime admits in the book that Sandor is stronger than him, but Jaime has Athletics 6 (Strength 3B) and Sandor only Athletics 4 (Strength 2B).
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Carriker » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:24 pm

You folks are awesome, thanks.
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Mrjamespj » Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:51 am

I don't actually own the current version yet, but have other characters such as Bronn been included this time?
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby LordValorna » Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:55 am

I think Tywin Lannister needs more Cunning than Rank 3.
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Jon Snow » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:01 pm

Tyrion's High Valyrian Language Ability doesn't have a rank.
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Jon Snow » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:17 pm

Janos Slynt's Combat Defense doesn't add up correctly.

Jaime's Longsword damage should be 7. (should it be called superior instead of excellent?)

Jaime's War Lance should be less 1b on attack and a damage of 12.

Jaime should have a damage of 4 on shield.
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Jon Snow » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:28 pm

Barristan Selmy should have a 5 damage on longsword due to flaw?

Barristan's war lance attack should be -1b.

Barristans lg shield attack should be damage of 2 due to flaw?
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Jon Snow » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:43 pm

Victarion Greyjoy should be +1b on his battle axe attack.

Vicatarion should be -1d with lg shield.
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Jon Snow » Wed Jul 18, 2012 8:53 pm

Ilyn Payne's armor doesn't add up correctly even with armor mastery.

Gregor Clegane should have an armor rating of 11.
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Jon Snow » Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:03 pm

Brienne should have a combat defense of 13 (8 in armor).

She should have an armor rating of 10.
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Jon Snow » Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:08 pm

Red Viper's spear should be 5 damage.

His buckler attack is incorrect.
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Straniero » Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:40 pm

I think Asha (pp. 124-125) is missing a nod towards Marksmanship/Thrown and Persuasion/Taunt. In her description, as well as being later shown in the novels, it is noted that she is proficient with Throwing Axes. Her Marksmanship is unlisted (2D), but she should probably be at least Marksmanship 2D~3D with 1B~2B in Thrown. She is also is described in her passage as having a disarming wit, and is shown to be pretty emasculating and brutal with her put downs in the books, so a 1B Taunt might be warranted.

Oberyn's weapon is is listed on page 217 as a "Superior Short Spear". To avoid a minor bit of confusion for new players like myself, a change to "Superior Spear" might work better (I immediately started wondering about reach rules and whether or not a Short Spear was the equivalent of a Frog or Boar Spear). Also, as Jon noted above, his Spear damage should be 5 (4 (Athletics) + 1 for Weapon Mastery).

I am also on board with the buffs suggested for the Hound, and/or the 3B Strength being a bit high for Jaime (and for Barristan for that matter).
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Straniero » Tue Jul 24, 2012 12:09 pm

Two more quick ones:
-King Robert's Full Plate on page 43 is listed as "AR 20" instead of 10.
-On the same page, Robert's Health is listed as "20" (from the END 6 and 2B Resilience from Tough), but the Flaw(END) should drop this total down to "17", correct (like Slynt's END Flaw drops his Health from 9 to 6 on page 39)?
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Zorbeltuss » Tue Jul 24, 2012 2:41 pm

Flaw in Endurance would only be -1 to health, in which case Slynt should have 8?
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Kival » Thu Jul 26, 2012 11:58 am

Zorbeltuss wrote:Flaw in Endurance would only be -1 to health, in which case Slynt should have 8?


Where did you get that? If the flaw reduces health, it should reduce health by -3.
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Zorbeltuss » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:38 pm

A flaw in an ability reduces all derived stats by 1, Health is a derived stat from endurance. Passive abilities are calculating as if the ability is one lower.
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby SerJerk » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:44 pm

Flaw (Addition); SIFRP, Page 90
Add the following sentences to the end of the paragraph.

When calculating your passive test result with this ability, you treat your ability as being 1 point lower. For example, if you have Perception 4 and the Flaw (Perception) drawback, your passive Perception result would by 12 ([4 − 1] x 4). You also reduce any derived characteristics (such as Intrigue Defense) by 1.


It gives the -1 penalty before the calculation, not after. Even though it only specifies passive tests and not a derived stat like Health, presumably it works the same way by affecting the base ability.
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Zorbeltuss » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:00 pm

Text from Errata and Game of Thrones edition:

When calculating your passive test result with this ability, you treat your ability as being 1 point lower. For example, if you have Perception 4 and the Flaw (Perception) drawback, your passive Perception result would by 12 ([4 − 1] x 4). You also reduce any derived characteristics (such as Intrigue Defense) by 1.
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Pramas » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:33 pm

Thanks for the eagle eyes, everyone.
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby SerJerk » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:58 pm

Apparently I have an Awareness flaw... :oops: Thanks for pointing that out, Zorbeltuss.
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Kival » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:37 am

Zorbeltuss wrote:Text from Errata and Game of Thrones edition:

When calculating your passive test result with this ability, you treat your ability as being 1 point lower. For example, if you have Perception 4 and the Flaw (Perception) drawback, your passive Perception result would by 12 ([4 − 1] x 4). You also reduce any derived characteristics (such as Intrigue Defense) by 1.


In intrigue defense no stat is multiplied. Health and Composure are different in so far as they are calculated as 3*stat. In my regard it's obvious to decrease health and composure for every flaw by 3. I suppose the last quoted sentence is wrong/misleading.

-1:

- Intrigue Defense
- Combat Defense
- Damage
- ...?

-3:

- Health
- Composure

-4:

- all passive skills
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Zorbeltuss » Wed Aug 01, 2012 2:57 am

No it isn't. Composure and Health are derived statistics. The text says to subtract 1 from derived statistics.

That's pretty clear.
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Re: Campaign Guide: Game of Thrones Edition Errata

Postby Kival » Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:29 am

Zorbeltuss wrote:No it isn't. Composure and Health are derived statistics. The text says to subtract 1 from derived statistics.

That's pretty clear.


And how does that make sence in any way? They are not derived in the same way but the flaw should apply the same way?
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