LordValorna wrote:The commoners don't have a name, so only a Noble Bastard could be called Snow or Rivers.
Tao Jones wrote:Eh... I'm inclined to agree with the stance of common bastards not taking the surname if they don't come from a family with a surname. Prime example being Gendry; a bastard of undoubtedly noble birth, but he lives a commoner, so he's just Gendry. He's a nobody, meaning the nobles don't care about him or his parentage until the succession comes into question. It is about a last name, because in this society your last name told people a lot about who you were and are. If you were nobility, it would be very important to distinguish bastards from the rest of the family.
I totally agree with all the sentiments of labeling them as products and agents of lust and betrayal... I just don't think the smallfolk care nearly as much about that as the nobility do, since they don't really have much to inherit. I think that's probably the real root of the stigma when you get down to it, a way of ensuring the inheritance, and thus the power, stays "in the family".
DaimosofRedstone wrote:Gendry is a city kid. Mia Stone however does carry her bastard name, as does Edric Storm.
There might be case to be made that cities, in the seven kingdoms as well as historical, did not care as much, hence the saying 'city air makes free'.
Paedrig wrote:I would not say this so strict.
At least the handling of bastard names in "Peril at Kings Landing" intend that they are also (at least sometimes) used for bastards without (known) half noble heritage...
DaimosofRedstone wrote:What do we know about A*** (forget the name, starts with a) Rivers, the guy who became Cersei's Admiral?
Paedrig wrote:Perhaps we also did not know of more examples of bastards of low heritage (with the bastard name) because they are simply not important enough for the books?
The only known "low" bastards are such of some importance for the story. But most other Bastards who play a role are of noble or half noble birth.
For the moment i would think that the sources (in the books of Martin and the rpg books) are a little bit too thin to be sure. In the end (like allways) it is up to the GM...
We could only mention the (scare and a little bit ambigious) sources...
BeardedDork wrote:If you assume that a child is only given a bastard's name if they have one or more highborn parent, then by naming a child with such a name you are necessarily impugning the honor of a noble, a potentially lethal prospect.
coldwind wrote:How's that now?
You're not saying "who" the father/mother is (and, in the event the highborn parent is the mother, it's rather hard for her to deny that she was pregnant), so who, exactly, is having their honor impugned? The only way for that to happen is for the noble to say fess up.
Now, if the parent went around saying "Lord Starl had my love child", that could get dicier depending on the noble, but just saying, "This is my son, Bran Snow" doesn't.
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