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Will you be posting a running campaign log? The other logs seem to have all dried up and now I have nothing to read at work!
How many PC's are there? It looks like 8, but I'm assuming some players are taking more then one character? 8 at one table would be nuts.
Given the current religious/political climate that Godswood is going to cause all kinds of trouble
BrianD wrote:So I rooted around the timeline at the ASOIAF Wiki looking for some open space to work with, and I think I found it. Between Aegon the Conqueror's death in 37 AL (under unknown circumstances) and Jaehaerys I's crowning in 48 AL, we see rebellions (plural!) spring up under Aegon's son Aenys' rule, backed by the Faith Militant. The weak heir names his strong younger brother Maegor as his Hand to crush the revolts, then dies (also under unknown circumstances). Maegor supplants Aenys' heir Jaehaerys as King (again, under unknown circumstances!) and earns his nickname "the Cruel" by murdering wives, architects, and Hands alike, and putting out bounties for the scalps of the Faith's Poor Brothers and Warriors Sons. He dies on the Iron throne (under unknown circumstances!!!) before Jaehaerys the Conciliator brings peace back to the realm once more. That's all we know, and that's 11 years of chaos. I like chaos.
BrianD wrote:So basically after Aegon's death, everything falls apart. Lords who were once kings want their crowns back - some of the ambitious ones might even want the Conqueror's seat for their own. The Faith rejects the royal abominations born of Targaryen incest and support their overthrow. A weakling sits the Iron Throne, followed after his mysterious death by his monstrous usurper brother. This is a perfect time to play the game of thrones.
BrianD wrote:[*]It's unknown under what circumstances the King of the Vale bent the knee, and being so naturally defensible, I can't see Aegon's forces breaking the Bloody Gate and storming the Eyrie. Gotta be dragons. According to legend, the House's founder Artys Arryn flew to the top of the Giant's Lance riding a giant falcon and slew the last of the Mountain Kings in single combat to claim the Vale. It'd be cool if Aegon pulled a similar move, only on dragonback. I'm thinking when the Faith rejects Targaryen rule, the Vale (being pretty much all Andal except for the mountain clans) raises its banners and the new Lord Arryn challenges the weakling Aenys to accomplish the same feat...
BrianD wrote:[*]It's established that Loren Lannister bent the knee at the Field of Fire. I'm thinking maybe his heir and second son we among the slain, leaving his third son, an acolyte of the Citadel, heir to the Rock. He never forged his chain, and left his studies at Oldtown after his brothers' deaths made him next in succession. Now Lord of the Casterly Rock and Westerlands, he seeks to keep his family's influence strong, but bears no resentment towards Targaryen rule - who needs a crown when the crown needs your gold?
BrianD wrote:[*]When Torrhen Stark knelt at the Red Fork of the Trident, he had but one condition of the Conqueror: that life would go on in the North much as it had, particularly in their manner of worship. With the Faith Militant a power in the realm, I imagine the Faith was less tolerant of the worship of the Old Gods and more able to oppress it, and perhaps in the not-too-distant past had even had "Crusades" of sorts against those who kept their ways (good luck getting past Moat Cailin!). Aegon granted him that no such incursions would ever be allowed under the King's Peace. When the Faith of the Seven revolts, the direwolf may be one of the dragon's staunchest supporters. When Maegor puts the bounties out on the Faith Militant, some northerners might be looking for some payback for old grudges...
ceranko wrote:1. Faith begins getting huge amounts of knights to join the warriors sons, "The only True Knighthood" recognized by the faith, which would probably have many disinherited lords and warriors join after Aegons conquest.
ceranko wrote:2. The Faith preaching about ungodly rites of the Targaryens and their incestuous marriage practices. Equating Dragons with demons, devils ect. In every small town and city giving the Targaryens a bad name.
BrianD wrote:2. And that leads to Maegor's men hanging those seditious septons left and right, which only breeds more resentment...
ceranko wrote:3. Rebel lords have turned into robber knights in various parts of the kingdom due to old rivalries and land grabbing by new Lords of the realm assigned by Aegon during his reign, some of the old lords are angry at the hand they were dealt after the conquest. The poor brothers are formed to escort pilgrims to and from Oldtown and Stoney Sept and Kings Landing. The seat of the Faith was the ornate Starry Sept in Oldtown, constructed in black marble with stained glass windows set in pointed arches. Baelor hasn't built the Sept of Baelor yet.
BrianD wrote:3. This got me thinking about where most of the land-grabbing is taking place. The Riverlands are probably pretty grateful for Aegon's expulsion of the Ironborn and their establishment as independent of both the Iron Islands and the Stormlands. The North is content to carry on as the North has for centuries. The Stormlands chafe under the newly established House Baratheon and would probably rebel. The Reach, as I said, is a hotbed of sedition, with the Tyrells and a few bannermen fighting off civil war in the name of the Crown that raised them to their status. The Westerlands are probably the most likely to be manipulating events to their own benefit - Maegor's only established wife was a Westerling of the Crag... of course, with Maegor's propensity for killing wives, her execution may turn the lords of the Rock against the Iron Throne. The Vale seems the most likely to be in open rebellion, being so naturally defensible and possibly having taken a page out of Dorne's playbook years before...
ceranko wrote:4.Dorne still hasn't capitulated and still has border wars with the reach and the stormlands.
BrianD wrote:4. Y'know, I think with all the conflict in the other Seven Kingdoms, the Dornish border might be the most peaceful it's been in decades. I'm still trying to figure out where the Dornish fit into the grand scheme of things...
ceranko wrote:5. The Ironborn raid the north and the reach and the westerlands from time to time.
BrianD wrote:5. Yeah, with the death of Harren the Black and his dreams of inland empire, the Greyjoys (hand-picked by the other lords of the Iron Islands) are definitely gonna be returning to the Old Way. An idea: what about all the thralls left behind in the Riverlands after the Ironborn's unceremonious retreat from the Riverlands? Hmm...
ceranko wrote:6. Church Knights (Poor Fellows) take it upon themselves to be judge jury and executioner and get into conflicts with Lords and knights in duels and will outright kill nobles they feel do not follow their style of righteousness, Abuse of power, oppressing the people or taking advantage of the smallfolk. When they kill nobility this is where the other nobles seek help from the crown. Commoners can't kill nobles, they are nobles by divine right!
BrianD wrote:6. This is where it gets really convoluted. Even lords who follow the Faith will start doubting the Faith Militant's value when their necks are on the block...
ceranko wrote:7. Religious prophets spring up around the countryside and perform miracles and receive visions influencing the commonfolk, most are charlatans that work for the church, or the robber knights.
BrianD wrote:7. Here's an interesting question: is there any real supernatural power attributed to the Seven? Followers of R'hllor and the Old Gods both seem to have some powers granted to them, but I can't recall any such abilities having been established for the Faith.
ceranko wrote:8. The Faith militant wants to root out the mountain clans in the eyrie and convert them from their faith in the old gods. Lord Arryn agrees and lets them have a crusade to burn weirwoods, as long as they stay in the mountains and kill the mountain clans, who cares? A knight from House Marbrand is leading this crusade. Maldon the Burner they call him. Unfortunately he likes to build bonfires of heretics as well and rape and murder are ok because the mountain clans are heathens. Lord Arryn quickly realizes his mistake.
BrianD wrote:8. The internal conflict in the Vale is gonna be an interesting one. Being 300 years before the events of the novels, I'm imagining the mountain clans of the Vale being more akin to those of the North - a bit more civilized, less like Wildlings than proper Northmen. There was probably a live-and-let-live mentality between them and the Andal houses up until this point, and I could see this being the start of their degeneration into the primitive tribes Tyrion encounters, with the Faith laying waste to their villages and holdfasts. House Arryn's permissiveness here breeds the lingering hatred the clans will have for the Andal rulers of the Vale for centuries to come.
ceranko wrote:9. The Freys see their chance to kill crannogmen so they send a few sons to join a crusade in the swamps to burn the Weirwoods and root out House Reed their ancient enemies. The Warriors Sons recruit quite a few Freys into their ranks. But most end up hanging upside down from cypress trees killed by the wily crannogmen.
BrianD wrote:9. Hell yeah. I want to play up the fact that the North are supporters of the Targaryens not out of any special loyalty, but rather because their rule guarantees that southron incursions will be outlawed under the King's Peace. What starts with a small conflict between the Freys and their Faith Militant allies against the crannogmen may turn into one of the central battles of the war.
ceranko wrote:10. One of the master masons escaped Maegors massacre and he wants the characters to track him down. If they can't find him he might find someone to replace them.
BrianD wrote:10. Even if they aren't working for Maegor, the rebels would have an interest in learning the secrets of the Keep that the Cruel King killed so many to protect....
ceranko wrote:11. One of Maegors wives takes interest in one of the characters and tries to make him her man. Whatever you want that to mean.
BrianD wrote:11. Hell, one of his wives might be from the PCs' House. Wouldn't that mix things up. In fact, I'm almost definitely gonna do this.
ceranko wrote:12. The Faith Militant decide to destroy the weirwoods in the gods eye. But come into supernatural "Problems" While they disembark from their boats.
BrianD wrote:12. Yeah, the Green Men aren't gonna take too kindly to that...
BrianD wrote:While the political conflict is relatively easy to work out, I've been struggling with a more supernatural conflict that underlies the whole thing akin to the novels. What I'm thinking now is that Maegor's line, if allowed to supplant Aenys' and his son Jaehaerys', will cut short the threads of prophecy that allow their to be either Azor Ahai reborn or the Prince That Was Promised, and that allowing that to come to pass will spell doom for the world further down the line. Basically, circumstances will come to pass where Dany, Jon, Tyrion, Bran, Stannis, and/or [ADWD SPOILER] Aegon (or any other crackpot theories about who the Three Heads of the Dragon or what have you) will ever even exist and because of that, the Others victory in the time of the novels is all but assured. Still thinking of ways to reveal this to the players, especially if they end up supporting the throne early on...
BrianD wrote:I'm trying to figure the personality of Maegor. One idea I've had is that, unlike his father or brother, he holds court in High Valyrian (with his Grand Maester translating for him) to distance himself from the commoners and nobles alike who come before him. Roman Catholic mass pre-Vatican II meets Jabba the Hutt.
BrianD wrote:One thing I've been wondering is the supernatural abilities members of House Targaryen possess. Aegon V's elder brother Daeron the Drunken had prophetic dreams, and the Bloodraven was reputed to be a sorcerer [ADWD SPOILERS] and was in fact the Last Greenseer. I'm kind of envisioning Maegor's mother Visenya as a sorceress of sorts, guiding her son with her visions...
BrianD wrote:Also, a friend of mine is interested in running a game set during the same time in the Free Cities during the Bleeding Years where Volantis attempted to reforge the Valyrian Freehold. Should be interesting.
The Faith militant wants to root out the mountain clans in the eyrie and convert them from their faith in the old gods. Lord Arryn agrees and lets them have a crusade to burn weirwoods, as long as they stay in the mountains and kill the mountain clans, who cares? A knight from House Marbrand is leading this crusade. Maldon the Burner they call him. Unfortunately he likes to build bonfires of heretics as well and rape and murder are ok because the mountain clans are heathens. Lord Arryn quickly realizes his mistake.
The internal conflict in the Vale is gonna be an interesting one. Being 300 years before the events of the novels, I'm imagining the mountain clans of the Vale being more akin to those of the North - a bit more civilized, less like Wildlings than proper Northmen. There was probably a live-and-let-live mentality between them and the Andal houses up until this point, and I could see this being the start of their degeneration into the primitive tribes Tyrion encounters, with the Faith laying waste to their villages and holdfasts. House Arryn's permissiveness here breeds the lingering hatred the clans will have for the Andal rulers of the Vale for centuries to come.
Why would lord Arryn be a such squeamish little girl? He should know that in war there are murders and rapes and when he lets a crusade against his enemies, who lives by murdering and raping his subjects, he knows what he’s getting and that’s probably why he allowed the crusade from the start. Why would his heart start to bleed for the enemies that have caused his House troubles for Seven knows how long? Tensions would probably come when the Faith’s warriors turns their attention to impious Vale nobles.
I for one do not think that the relation between the Mountain Clans and the Andals have been all that sweet until this point but its more that the Arryns couldn’t or didn’t dare to spare the manpower to clear the mountains from their barbaric inhabitants before and probably still can’t, hence why they would need someone else to do their dirty work.
I’ll agree that the Freys might try to attack the Crannogmen but more likely than anything else is that they’ll wander around the swamps and get tired of the mud, water and lizard lions and so head back home again while the Crannogmen laughs at the stupid Southrons. The Freys really can’t do anything against the Reeds and so I don’t think that this would escalate into a proper conflict.
I don’t think you should go down this road as it looks a lot like railroading to me.
I would imagine him as a kind of mix between Viserys/Joffrey and Tywin. He’s certainly going to be cruel and probably not above petty acts of violence and mutilation but at the same time I would think that he would have a kind of steel in him that both Visery and Joffrey lacked. I mean he’s certainly competent enough to crush his enemies without mercy in an intelligent manner while at the same time being very cruel as a person.
Speaking of dragons, how are you going to handle them? Striclty a plot device or write up rules for them and possibly allow the PC to really make a name for themselves as a dragonslayer?
Sounds like great fun. You’re going to play the Volantis then, right? Its always more fun to be bad than be good.
BrianD wrote:Well, here's the thing: House Claemor, the PC house, actually is an ancient First Men house of the Vale who still keep to the Old Gods. They're culturally more assimilated than most of their neighbors in the Mountains of the Moon, with anointed knights in their service and a well-tended sept in their port town, and a major event in their history was actually being the first of the old houses to bend the knee to the Andals and brokering the peace treaty that brought the dozen or so remaining mountain clans into the fold centuries ago. Like I said, up to this point, the mountain clans are more like the Norreys and Wulls of the North than the Burned Men and Moon Brothers at the time of the novels. They're culturally and religiously distinct from the rest of the Vale and they're not the most enthustiastic of subjects, but they pay their taxes and call their banners when their liege requires them.
BrianD wrote:Since the players chose to make the house they did, this has sort of become one of the central plot points of the game. If and when Lord Arryn lets the Faith Militant come and root them out, he's essentially throwing his least favorite subjects under the bus as a concession to secure a political alliance of convenience with religious zealots. With the PCs playing Old-God-worshiping Valemen themselves, specifically the descendants of the peacemakers who negotiated the terms under which the mountain clans entered the king's peace, this whole plot thread is a lot more personal. It's referenced in the novels that the mountain clans' grudge with the lowlanders is based on the Lords of the Eyrie's broken promises and betrayals. Should be fun to actually play that out...
BrianD wrote:Hell, descendants of the PC House might even end up being the Burned Men or the Moon Brothers in the centuries to come, depending on how badly (or awesomely) this plays out.
BrianD wrote:Not if it's just the Freys, sure. But if the Warrior's Sons decide to lend aid to their cause in full force and help the Twins smash the dragon-loving tree-worshippers in the name of the Seven, who knows? It could go the other way, even, and the might of the North could come down through the neck to answer the Targaryen's call to arms. One way or another, the Neck and the northern Riverlands are gonna get messy.
BrianD wrote:Well, I've got a PC with the Third Eye benefit. Prophecy and visions of the future always entail a little railroading. I'm not gonna force anybody's hand, but this is the overarching issue from a supernatural perspective. How far into it the PCs wanna go, specifically the one with the Third Eye benefit, is entirely up to them.
BrianD wrote:A little of column A, a little of column B. For the most part they're just gonna be the looming threat of total annihilation, but once things get moving along, I could always draw up some truly horrific stats for 'em if need be.
BrianD wrote:Sadly I don't think the sister game is happening. Bummer. But once the scope of the game opens up, events in Essos are something I wanna touch on. Still hammering out ideas there.
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