Ryngard wrote:The games (we've updated each system) have become more and more complex and time consuming. We're a very intelligent group, but we all miss our simple systems that allow us to frakin' play the game, instead of feeling like we're doing homework!!!
I miss old school gaming and I think Pramas is trying to get Dragon Age back to those roots. I hope he succeeds, it might just save our gaming group.
Maybe we grew up in different universes. AD&D and 2nd edition were both very complicated and used a huge number of books. I still have my 1st/2nd edition collection and it definitely weighs over 100lbs. I feel like I should have earned a bachelors in Archiving for my ability to catalog and find spells in that huge mess.
No 2e campaign setting required more than the 3 core books, and the occasional setting-specific monstrous appendix; all the rest was optional, and you were quite left to yourself if you wanted to use something outside the core with a pre-defined setting (e.g. all the Complete manuals).
I have all of the 2e campaign boxed sets, and I only ever used (and owned) the PHB, DMG and MM; and lately, the Tome of Magic, which was referenced only in the Birthright campaign setting, and clearly marked as optional.
So yes, you could have tons of books, but that was your choice, not something dictated somewhat by the settings. You could expand the campaign settings boxed sets, but that was just expansion.
Even 3e (well, 3.0 at least) only required the 3 core books to be self-sufficient, at least for the Forgotten Realms, Dragonlance and Greyhawk. In the Eberron campaign setting book there is reference to psionics, but for those who do not have the psionics manual, there are rules for replacing psionics with magic, so you do not need the Psionics Handbook.
Consider the situation with 4e now: 6 _core_ rulebooks, and more expected to come (at least PHB3 and MM3); the other books clearly marked as "supplements". As the core expands, you find references to more core books in the published settings (e.g. Eberron has references to at least PHB2).