villain quirks

[horned god]

Hey what do you think of the Quirk-Psychopathic Killer or Quirk-Vengeful for villains? Basically they make a DC 20 Will save to avoid doing whatever their quirk says they would.

[AaronUnicorn]

I don't really see the need for them, truthfully. As villains, they're kind of expected to behave that way, and as NPCs, they can be whatever power level you want them, so there's no need to worry about the points balancing out.

And I definately wouldn't let my PCs take them.

[Dr Archeville]

Qureik: Gloats to his Foes would be appropriate, though, since the Heroes could be foiling the Villains plans while he pontificats!

[mgg]

That's not a quirk, that's just the way of mastermind villains everywhere.

[Anthony]

Hey what do you think of the Quirk-Psychopathic Killer or Quirk-Vengeful for villains? Basically they make a DC 20 Will save to avoid doing whatever their quirk says they would.

Well, there's no save to resist Quirks. They have to spend a villian point to avoid doing that.

Practically speaking, there's no point; villians don't have to point balance.

[Strict31]

I don't know. I found that, when I was making villains, most of the insane or driven ones had some sort of ten point Quirk. When I reviewed them all and compared them with good guy NPCs (who largely did not have quirks), I began to wonder if most of the stuff I was thinking of as quirks simply could have been "special-effected"...a ten point difference ain't much, but it just felt wrong.

Strictly Speaking

[Anthony]

I don't know. I found that, when I was making villains, most of the insane or driven ones had some sort of ten point Quirk. When I reviewed them all and compared them with good guy NPCs (who largely did not have quirks), I began to wonder if most of the stuff I was thinking of as quirks simply could have been "special-effected"...a ten point difference ain't much, but it just felt wrong.

I solve this problem by being careless with point accounting on my villians. So the concept I'm building only needs 120 points in abilities, but needs PL 10 abilities? Guess I'll only spend 120 points. So the concept I'm building isn't supposed to be any more powerful than the PCs, but needs 200 points? 200 points it is.

[Strict31]

I don't know. I found that, when I was making villains, most of the insane or driven ones had some sort of ten point Quirk. When I reviewed them all and compared them with good guy NPCs (who largely did not have quirks), I began to wonder if most of the stuff I was thinking of as quirks simply could have been "special-effected"...a ten point difference ain't much, but it just felt wrong.

I solve this problem by being careless with point accounting on my villians. So the concept I'm building only needs 120 points in abilities, but needs PL 10 abilities? Guess I'll only spend 120 points. So the concept I'm building isn't supposed to be any more powerful than the PCs, but needs 200 points? 200 points it is.

Interesting point. At times, I'm not entirely sure that "balance" is as important as we often think. I mean, one of my main villains is a telepath. He's a unique telepath, but that's his only ability. He's higher PL than my signature NPC JLA-style heroes. Sovereign (the superman type) could easily kill him with a punch, even though Sovereign is about five PLs below the baddie. of course, the bad guy can whup Sovereign's bootie mentally. I reckon I vacillate on this subject, of course.

But I have run into occassions where, after having spent a certain number of points, I had points left over that didn't need to go anywhere.

Strictly Speaking