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Carriker wrote:Just so.
And what I've taken from this thread is that if you are wearing heavier armor against a more skilled opponent, you're likelier to take more damage. Against a skilled opponent, however, you're better off in lighter armor.
This summary pretty much matches the "reality" of Martin's world, truth be told, regardless of whether or not it matches our understanding of historical martial sciences. You wear heavy armor on the battlefield, against a large number of less-skilled opponent. But when, say, fighting a duel or otherwise engaging someone who is skilled, it's not uncommon to see much lighter armor.
Zorbeltuss wrote:Syrio was knocking out Lannister mooks with a wooden sword, I don't think we can know if it was Ser Meryn's armor or skill that made that tactic ineffective. Nor do we know
It's pretty clear that Bronn is really good at fighting, odds are that Ser Vardis would get butchered within seconds without all that armor.
Barristan vs Gladiator and Qotho vs Ser Jorah for that matter are two cases of armor wins, but the knights were facing opponents that didn't know how to fight against armor, so those are poor cases. I'm pretty sure that Qotho, as a bloodrider, probably qualifies as highly skilled.
Oberyn vs mountain is also a bad example. Heavy armor effectively means that you plan for up close and personal, and that's suicide against Ser Gregor. What Oberyn does is to be lightly armoured so that he has more mobility. He also uses a spear so that he can stab at Ser Gregor while staying outside of the reach of his sword.
Game Mechanically, Oberyn has better reach and better movement, and pretty much insures that ser Gregor never manages to attack him. Ser Gregor has so much armor that Oberyn needs many attacks to get through it, but eventually he'll win. Had Oberyn (or Bronn for that matter) been standing still, he'd go down very quickly because he does not have protection.
Game Mechanically (and in the book for that matter), Oberyn wins using this tactic (only getting killed because he let his guard down), which would usually be the case in real life as well. But it's personal combat, not the battlefield, on the battlefield, you do not have the option of outmanoeuvring your foe as there'll be someone standing in the way, enemy or ally.
Armor makes it much, much harder to wound you, but it is also makes you vulnerable to a mobile enemy because he gets many more chances to get in the decisive strike than you do.
Zorbeltuss wrote:Because clearly, Full Plate is the armor of choice for a Knight that can afford it in Westeros.
Kival wrote:Shattering is a very interesting and nice quality but it works a little too fast maybe.
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